Honolulu, HI—Shortly after University of Hawaii head football coach Greg McMackin announced his sudden retirement on Monday with one year remaining on his five-year contract, we caught up with the Warriors starting quarterback, David Graves, to talk about it.
From how the team learned that McMackin would retire, to his own personal feelings toward his departed coach, to who he thinks should take over as the next head coach of the Hawaii football team, the redshirt sophomore shared it all in this one-on-one interview.
Below, in it's entirety, is the conversation we had with David Graves.
Bleacher Report: Hi Dave. We found out earlier today that there was going to be a press conference at 3:30 to announce McMackin's retirement. When did you guys find out as a team the situation, what was going on?
David Graves: They just told us this morning that we had a meeting at three o'clock. We had a meeting this morning, I think they gave out our all-WAC [Western Athletic Conference] Academic papers, our WAC awards. So that seemed kind of odd to us, to have a meeting at three o'clock because we've never had before. So we all just came to the meeting and everyone was kind of talking about it, "I heard this," "They heard this," "They heard that." We were just waiting for our questions to get answered.
BR: So there were rumors flying around beforehand?
DG: There were rumors flying around that this was going to be the last Coach Mack meeting.
BR: Was it a Coach Mack meeting? Was Mack at the meeting at three o'clock?
DG: Yeah, that's what it was for. He addressed the team and he told us that he loved us and that he really was looking after our best interests, and you could really feel that he was sad to go. And he told us that no matter what he wanted us to keep fighting, that he was going to be watching us. I have a lot of respect for him.
BR: Did he get emotional up there?
DG: Yeah, definitely he got a little emotional up there. But he's a good guy, I really felt it. I really felt that he was there for us.
BR: What was the reaction from the team listening to him, did you guys get emotional?
DG: Yeah, some of the guys...Yeah, some of the guys were sad...I don't know...I think some of us expected it a little bit, just the situations that have been going on. But yeah, it was definitely sad.
BR: Is there any anger from you or from the players that maybe the "system," being like the media, led to his retirement; because there was so much heat on him this year, caused from stuff outside of your locker room. Is there anger?
DG: I don't think there's any anger at the media...You know...I don't know...I felt like this team was really led by mostly the assistant coaches; and the majority of the work getting done was by the assistant coaches. And so we've expected it, and it was just sad to see him go. Coach Mack was a great man and he really looked after us. But we didn't know if he was going to be our leader that we needed him to be sometimes.
BR: That comment that you just made could be interpreted in a couple of different ways...
DG: Which one?
BR: ...about the assistants doing a lot of the work. Did that stand out to you as kind of odd that he was in the back too much, or is that kind of typical of a big Division-1 program?
DG: No, it wasn't that he was in the back. It was just that the assistants really were coaching us, were really teaching us what we needed to know. And I believe in our assistant coaches, I really believe that what they were coaching us was going to get the job done. It was just, I don't know...It's tough for me to say, but it just felt like we needed a, I don't know...Like a stronger leader. Just to bring us all together.
BR: Having a team member to do that? Or an authority figure, like a head coach?
DG: An authority figure. I feel like [Dick] Tomey, Coach Tomey, the special teams coach, he really inspired the team; really, really got 'em to go. And we really would believe in what he was saying. And I don't know so much how everyone interprets how our special teams did this year, statistically, but from an attitude standpoint, we were definitely a different team out there on special teams this year thanks to Tomey's leadership, I would say. And he was very strong when he would get up in front of the team. And I don't know, Mack was just...I don't know. I don't know how to say it.
BR: Was there a change in Mack, in what you're trying to explain, from last year to this year? Or was it the same from the whole time that you've been here?
DG: No. It's from the whole time I've been here. I don't know, we just needed that...
BR: Fire?
DG: Yeah, we needed a fire! It was...I don't know...this is really stirring me up to say something like this because I respect Coach Mack. I really believe he was a great man and he really cared for us. But it was just...I feel like it was hard for the team sometimes to respect everything that he was saying when we were preparing into games. Or getting into the true grit of football.
BR: Because he's too laid back?
DG: It wasn't the laid back, it was just...maybe his public speaking. He would go off on tangents sometimes, and we would lose sight of what he was really trying to tell us just because sometimes he talks too much.
BR: It's interesting that you say that because a lot of the heat that he got from the public was from his press conferences, and his public speaking skills. So is it fair to say that when he spoke in front of the team it was the same way?
DG: Yes, yes...I don't know...Right now, I don't feel totally comfortable talking about all this but I feel like in a way it needed to be said. He was a really great man, but just the leadership; the person that really needed to grab us together, he wasn't...Maybe it's just his public speaking skills in front of the team.
BR: These feelings that you have are kind of a gut feeling, or an intellectual feeling for each person. Do you think other players on the team shared the same...
DG: No doubt.
BR: Was it ever discussed or talked about?
DG: Yeah, we just kind of...We wouldn't always take everything he said seriously just because we knew that sometimes he would contradict himself, or say things that were a little far-fetched, or excessive. And it was just, I don't know...We would go into his meetings and we would listen to him and we would listen to what he had to say, but it would kind of sometimes...
BR: Go in one ear and out the other?
DG: ...sometimes we would have to do that, yeah. Instead of maybe when Tomey would get up and talk we would really be like, "Yes! We know this guy got the right head on his shoulders and he's ready to go with us." And McMackin was just kind of, "Okay, okay, boom-boom."
BR: From that point, then oftentimes you would meet with your position coaches. Would they know what was going on, and redirect your attention to the message or the goal after a McMackin meeting...
DG: Right.
BR: Did the assistant coaches kind of know that you needed that extra kick in the butt?
DG: Yes. The assistant coaches would get us ready in the way that we needed to get ready, I feel.
BR: Do you think that would just happen naturally, or because they kind of knew McMackin was missing that punch when he talked to you guys?
DG: I think they knew as well.
BR: Now, is this something that you think was apparent to the guys who are graduating this year, when they got here, or is this something that you think kind of changed or came about more in the last couple years when you were here?
DG: No, it was apparent to the seniors as well, I think.
BR: So when you got here was there a message about that or anything? Was it talked about, or was there anything that you heard?
DG: Just the whole attitude of the team was that like we understood; we just kind of understood. I don't know...We needed a stronger...I don't know, I'm just trying to be careful with my words...
BR: Well there's a flip side to this too, because everyone loves Mack. I love Mack...
DG: I love Mack, yeah.
BR: So aside from that, it could kind of be a good thing for the team and the players...
DG: I definitely agree, yeah.
BR: ...because everyone knew beforehand, that something extra was needed...
DG: Yeah, exactly. I really do believe that this could be a very good thing and that the future could be very bright. And I really believe that we had something special with our assistant coaches, and I really am, I would really support hiring from internally, from the assistant coaches. I believe our coaching staff is great, it's just Coach Mack, himself, was just...He would call meetings that were long, and I would feel like they just weren't necessary. He would call long meetings and he would talk to us for a long time, but I really don't think it would move us at all.
BR: Do you have a recommendation from inside the staff? [Associate head coach and secondary coach Rich] Miano has been named the interim head coach...
DG: I believe Miano is a very strong leader. I actually played DB [defensive back] last year so I sat in on a lot of Miano meetings and I feel like he could be a very, he could be the next guy, he could be a very strong leader. And he's been around the game for a long time. I think he would be a great head coach, I really do.
BR: Age-wise on this staff, Miano is right in the middle, Tomey is up here and [offensive coordinator Nick] Rolovich is down here. Is Rolo too young, and Tomey too old, to take over that position, or maybe just not even ready yet compared to Miano?
DG: You know, who am I to say. I'm new...I'm not new, but I've been in this game, this is my third year of college football and I'm learning a lot as I'm going on. This is only my third year of being exposed to this business, so for me to say, I'm not really sure. But from a leadership standpoint I believe that several of our coaches on the staff could do the job.
BR: Now, it was just solely a McMackin move. None of the other assistants are affected, no one else was made to retire...
DG: Right. And I'm real happy about that. I'm real happy about that. I think we still have a very strong coaching staff no matter what. It's just that I'm excited, and hopeful, that we get a strong leader to come in and just pull us together.
BR: Did you, personally, get emotional in the meeting?
DG: A little bit, yeah. You know, it was real sad; Coach Mack, you know, you said it too, we all love Coach Mack. He's a great guy and he really looked after us, I really believe that he did a lot of great things for the program. He helped the summer school; I'm going to graduate early, I think I'll graduate in three-and-a-half years thanks to summer school. And I'll be able to go onto a Master's program and get as much out of my schooling as I possibly can, thanks to Coach Mack. And he's done great things with our APR [Academic Progress Rate], he really focused our team on the grades and keeping us in the classroom and made sure that was our focus. But it was sad to watch him go, he really did care for us. Yeah, I was getting a little emotional. Everyone felt the somber. Felt the sadness. It's tough, man.
BR: Thanks for your time.
Kevin Riley is a Featured Columnist for Bleacher Report. Unless otherwise noted, all quotes were obtained first-hand.